rainbow — 2014-06-24T18:05:48-04:00 — #20
If not already mentioned, I like to see a "save video for later" option.
deadwoodluke — 2014-06-24T19:12:33-04:00 — #21
I changed this to feature request since we are discussing features.
fluffy — 2014-06-24T19:37:32-04:00 — #22
I would also like to see cryptocurrency integration. Maybe a tipping system in the comments similar to Dogetipbot and/or donation widgets that users can put on their channel(s).
boffeesticks — 2014-06-24T19:40:50-04:00 — #23
@Fluffy This would be really cool, and it might be a good idea to allow users who donate enough to a channel to recieve perks. Perhaps paid only videos, maybe seeing private videos a few hours before everyone else can, maybe even the ability to use emoticons or something similar in the comments section?
firedragon — 2014-06-25T01:42:04-04:00 — #24
I would like PayPal support, so that anyone can monetize their videos without going through the hassle like we had to before with AdSense.
deadwoodluke — 2014-06-25T08:43:47-04:00 — #26
This is planned, and we love dogecoin. To the moon!
Edit: I literally spend my time either working on bitvid, playing some steam game, or on /r/dogecoin
theakashictraveller — 2014-06-25T09:05:13-04:00 — #27
So I've been thinking and, in my opinion, one of the major downsides of youtube is the almost total lack of user (both viewer and content creator) interaction. There is very little, that I know of, direct interaction between employees of youtube and it's users.
Oh someone flagged your videos? Too bad; your channel's gone now.
I've just been thinking of a way you could do things differently that could make for a better experience than youtube and it basically revolves around focusing on user interaction. Here an idea:
- Have various levels of moderators some employed but most volunteers, the volunteers could be chosen by the general users through a vote system. You could even use that as a method of looking for future employees.
- When a video is flagged have it put forward for a moderator to review it they will then go through a process to confirm weather or not there has been an infraction remaining in contact with the content creator and if it is a copyright issue the copyright holder.
- If the video is seen as an infraction by the moderator then all non-confidential information will be released to the general users who can then vote if they disagree with the decision and say why.
- These vote can then be used to assess priority for a higher level moderator to get involved and look over all the info to reassess maintaining communication and transparency where possible. This part of the system can also be used to assess prospective moderators.
firedragon — 2014-06-25T17:35:15-04:00 — #28
I don't think there should be a minimum payout. Ex. You make $1 in a month, you get $1 in a month. You don't have to wait until you get $100.
roxaaron — 2014-06-25T23:37:00-04:00 — #29
How would accessing user's pages work? With Youtube's G+ integration, access to Youtube channels is messed up. You can no longer go to youtube.com/CoolUsername, you need to use youtube.com/user/ajdgGKTG014Afrjjgv9JAJ1135LioKkm, which is really annoying. Would accessing Channels/User's Video Pages be with a sub-domain like deviantART (CoolUsername.bitvid.tv) or sub-directories a.k.a. the old Youtube way (bitvid.tv/CoolUsername)? Or will you use another method, if such is even possible.
deadwoodluke — 2014-06-25T23:44:42-04:00 — #30
Its not completely figured out yet, but we think the old Youtube way. Youtube's new way is terrible.
roxaaron — 2014-06-26T00:28:52-04:00 — #31
I see your point of view, but I think that if you pay some type of premium, gain respect in the community, and/or become a member for a certain amount of time, you should be able to have access to a little more options and customization for their "theme".
wittyusernamesa — 2014-06-26T01:32:45-04:00 — #32
I think Bitvid is going to do a lot of what I want and I'm sure it'll change after its release, anyway. But there's one thing that I just want Bitvid to focus on: Community.
Community is just absolutely lost on Youtube. You're a small fish in a world with 100% water. Unless you actually engage in talking to someone directly, you can't really meet to many people. Maybe my Youtube experience differs from most, but there it just feels lonely. Just me and my videos. Nothing else. Nobody to talk to, nobody to share interests with.
Where, a themed focus channel seems like that would be the best place to host a community. For instance, a Let's Play channel (though I don't like them) should be more involved in a gaming community. Narrow it down more, maybe you make Mass Effect animation, you should be more active in the Mass Effect sub-group of gaming.
Thing is, I'm not entirely sure how community would envelope. Video Responses would help, a way to implement groups, perhaps some type of social-networking feed -- though that's become somewhat cliche at this point.
I just know Youtube feels pretty lonely for small channels. I'd definitely want more idea of community.
rayalez — 2014-06-26T03:51:09-04:00 — #34
Wow, so much great ideas, everybody! I love that.
(post super long, important ideas and feature requests are highlighted)
> Video Responses and Comments
Very cool. That would be really convenient. Maybe you could just get rid of the video responses tab completely by just allow embedding videos in the comments. And if you want to see just the video responses(or only the ones that have been responded to by creator) - you could have buttons in the comments area that allow to filter only certain types of comments(text, videos, videos that the OP responded to). By the way, that would also be an elegant solution to sort comments in any way user wants - latest, by rating, etc.
As a result - cleaner interface without the separate element(video responses) that is rarely used, while keeping all of the advantages. You could rank comments with video higher by default - so they would be more visible.
> Power-Users and Rating System
By the way, here's a great solution that would prevent this - the amount of likes you can give depends on your rating - boom, problem solved! You can rate comments up(or down) the restricted amount of times, that way only users with higher rating would be able to affect rankings. Besides - you can "spend" your rating on performing that sort of actions - rating other people's comments/videos, maybe something else. Users with very small(negative) rating or recently downvoted a lot can be suspended from commenting/liking.
-- People would put a lot more thoughts into giving likes/dislikes - if for every 3 likes you receive you can give only one like(for example, precise system needs more thinking) - you will not like/dislike randomly, you will pick only things that really matter.
-- People with higher rating will affect the rating of others more - which makes perfect sense. Maybe even rating of more popular users may be "weighted" and matter more
-- Community will be able to manage itself, you won't need moderators to ban trolls. If you're downvoted 10 times by people with a very high rating(for example) - you're temporarily suspended.
-- Which would give way more meaning to rating - instead of being a meaningless number it would have much more value, and reflect the person's 'value/status' more accurately.
-- It would prevent the system from being abused - spammers and trolls won't be able to use automatic tools to create a fake rating.
-- If you'll end up having 5-start system instead of like/dislike - it would prevent people from giving an 'okay' video 5 stars just to affect it's rating more. I'm sensing that if it's just a 5-star system - everybody will only give 1's or 5's, but if giving 5 'costs' more than giving '4' - people will put more thought into it and ratings will be more accurate.
What about 4 points rating system?
- +2 - amazing
- +1 - I like it
- -1 - not too good
- -2 - awful, ban this bastard
And every rating should have a text that appears on mouseover, that explains what this rating means.
Here's why I think it would be better:
-- Different cultures assign different meaning to numbers. In some countries "5" is good, "4" is ok, "3" is bad, and nobody gives people 2 or 1(like in the school system). In other cultures "5" is almost never given to anybody, only to something incredibly exceptional. That's why you can't tell what person really means by giving a rating, without expressing it in words.
-- "3" stars is right between "1" and "5", which makes it meaningless.
Another point - please use anything but stars! Call it points or whatever. It's a personal opinion, but I think stars are an ugly cliche. Maybe use something like this:
> In-video Keyboard Control
Awesome!! Especially I'd love to rewind videos with various degrees of accuracy by using arrow keys.
- Ctrl+arrow - +/- 1 frame
-- especiallly important. I miss the ability to rewind frame by frame very much. There's a lot of situations where that can be useful.
- Left/Right arrow - +/- 1 second
- Shift+arrow - +/- 10 seconds.
- Up/Down arrow - plus/minus 1 minute.
Or something like that.
> Community. Channels, Playlists, and Subscriptions
I think that multiple channels per user + several playlists in one channel would take care of that.
By the way!
On pinterest you have a "follow all" button - that would allow to subscribe to the user(all of his channels) or choose to subscribe to only one of his channels, separately.- or maybe to one of his playlists. - that is a solution to what @Syth has offered - ability to subscribe only to a certain kinds of content that user uploads.
I think the reason for that is the "Dunbar's number" - person can't maintain relationships with more than 150 people. Once people stop remembering and knowing each other, not seeing someone's avatar more than once - community becomes lost. Which is why I think 'subreddits' or something similar is a great solution:
- When bitvid will inevitably get big - that will break it down into smaller sub-communities where people will know each other, that will maintain the sense of familiarity.
- For new people it will be much easier to become popular among smaller 'subreddit' than among the whole bitvid.
- It will organize people by interests and you will be able to subscribe to groups of channels by interests.
That way you will be able to subscribe to stuff on several levels:
- "Category" - technology
- "User" - user with all of his channels
- "Channel" - channel that a person makes on some particular topic
- "Playlist" - as @Syth suggested, some particular part of the channel.
> Misc: PayPal, Url Structure, Interface.
Oh, man, definitely!! Especially for people living in other countries - paypal integration would be huge!
Wow, that would be really awesome, I like that! It might cause some confusion(because now we are at forum.bitvid.tv), but there surely is a way around this. I would definitely like having my own subdomain here much more!
One very important point, whether it's subdomain or subdirectory - it should be possible to change channel's url in case I want to change my username.
Some people have made a typo when choosing their youtube channel's url and now they're stuck with it - how stupid is that. Yes, changing channel's url may break some links leading to it, but if user understands that - it should be his choice to make.
By the way, on that topic - a little customization for the bitvid interface would be great. If I want to move some elements around, maybe hide ones I don't need, or - important - choose the front page - it could be like the reddit's front page, or my recent subscriptions, or maybe some particular 'subreddit' - that kind of thing is possible in feedly for example. In any case - a lot of settings and customizations is good - I know there's an argument for making it as simple as possible, but I think the kind of people who will be attracted to bitvid will value freedom to customize a lot of things.
wittyusernamesa — 2014-06-26T05:05:42-04:00 — #35
I'm admittedly... ignorant, of how Reddit controls, but I'm aware of two things: Reddit seems to have subcommunities, such as forums dedicated to a particular game, such as Fallout (Like the Hoax website lead me there) which was a bit amusing to read through, and that Bitvid uses and loves it.
But I really have no idea how the subreddits system would work in your idea. How would you suggest implementing a system like that to Bitvid?
I mean, if it works and keeps up subcommunites towards bitvid then I'm all for it.
Actually, is this forum designed similar to Reddit? Lord, this forum system is gonna take time to get used to.
rayalez — 2014-06-26T05:35:36-04:00 — #36
Now that I think about it - this system is already implemented in this forum(sort of).
Yes, try to get used to it - it is very convenient and intelligent once you understand how it works.
Let's say that by default bitvid's front page is similar to the reddit's(or HackerNews) front page:
displaying the "hottest" videos - the ones that are the most upvoted/responded to in a certain period of time.
(and you can always choose to display the latest videos, or the top of this day/month/year, etc).
Bitvid also has categories, such as "Technology", "Education", "Business", "Entertainment", "Gaming", etc.
And you can click on any of them, to display (hottest, by default)videos belonging to this category.
Like right now you can click on the "All categories" button in the top-left of the forum page, pick the category you're interested in, and see the latest/top posts there.
For example: http://forum.bitvid.tv/category/general/l/top
When somebody posts a video - he can choose which category it belongs to(like when you are creating a topic on this forum).
My idea is that users can create their own subcategories.
For example I can create a sub-category "Gaming > Fallout".
And start posting my videos there, other users can post their videos there too.
People who are interested in this game will navigate to this category and see the top videos in it.
I can also customize this category - create a nice background, description, guidelines for people who want to post stuff in there.
That way when a new person will post a video about Fallout - it will not get lost in the millions of other videos, but it will be visible in the "Fallout" category very quickly, to everybody who is interested in it.
People can subscribe to see the best videos about "Fallout" in their feed.
Because this community is much smaller - it is much easier to get noticed and recognized there, it is also much easier to discover stuff you're interested in.
By the way, another idea - Create a list of top users/channels.
That way if I am interested in robotics(for example) - I quickly navigate to Technology > Robotics, and can instantly see:
- The hottest videos
- The most popular videos about robots ever
- The most popular channels to subscribe to
- The most popular and influential users
That way I am recognizing the most popular people in this field,
I have a motivation to compete to get rating - write useful comments, make high quality videos
(I write clever comments > I have high rating > I get in the top of users > I get traffic to my channel)
Again, as my other suggestions above - this turns rating from some meaningless number into something more tangible and actually useful.
That way millions of users are separated into smaller communities where they can recognize each other, interact, and be discovered much easier.
There might be a problem with this idea.
It is already implemented on g+(communities) and on quora, and there still too much users for anybody to know each other or care about a person they will never interact with more than once.
So maybe something else is required.
On the other hand - it may be different for bitvid.
Mainly because making videos is more challenging than posting links or self-promotion posts or cat images.
That may naturally decrease the amount of posts and people in each category.
Also - videos are a lot more personal. When you are creating a vlog it is much easier to recognize you than if you would be just posting a random link or a question.
wittyusernamesa — 2014-06-26T06:47:54-04:00 — #37
So, the subreddit would be more like a category system. Yeah, I can get behind that. Though, redundancy could be a bit of an issue. More than one person making a Fallout category, would probably need some bars put in place.
This does bring up a certain issue. This sounds a bit more like first come, first serve. This sounds as if they have more control than another user. Could be beneficial or not so much. The person who created it may have poor handling, make an ugly background or header or whatever.
Not against customization like this, but I feel perhaps staff or so should have a handle on this. Or at least staff/mods of this particular Subvid community.
I certainly feel as this would be beneficial.for both sides. Newcomers can get noticed easier and could really filter out the irrelevant nonsense.
Though, does bring in question about things that could be one or the other.
Like, I make SFM animations, mostly about Sonic stuff. What if one of my animations was a Sonic and Mario thing? Could I put it in multiple categories?
Gaming > Sonic
Gaming > Mario
Entertainment > Animations
They're all relevant. Though, I can definitely see someone abusing this to try to get more views by spamming it to several categories. Maybe if they could only put it in five categories.
I wouldn't mind that, but I feel as though that should be done in blocks and should also have, on that page, the most recent videos as well. Some of us also want to step away from Youtube because you can drown in all that "what's popular" stuff. Block 1 could be small, maybe four or five, and then the popular stuff right below it.
I feel the new stuff being right on top would be suiting. It's really common for the main content of any page to be central. I don't feel the smaller, most recent line would clash due to its short list.
I do think Google did one thing right with their G+ integration, surprising as that may be. Notifications. It's really nice to see that thing light up and tell you have a comment. I made a few friends on Facebook before, really close ones.
So, perhaps there can be a statuses/feeds or so? Maybe forums within the categories? Eh, statuses are a bit.. .cliche, but could be useful. Just a way to encourage communications a bit more.
rayalez — 2014-06-26T08:00:57-04:00 — #38
Well, yes. That suggestion isn't totally devoid of self-interest =)
The person who jumps in first would become a moderator, and have an opportunity, for example, to drive massive traffic from the community he creates to his stuff.
But that doesn't have to be a bad thing, because:
1. When you create community you are a moderator of, and directly benefit from - you have a strong motivation to make it really good.
2. Yes, there might be a several communities on the same topic. They will compete and people will choose the best one. As it happens on g+ - at some point 1 community becomes more popular, and everybody jumps there, and there's no longer a reason to create another one with the same name - nobody will go there.
3. If person who created the community starts overusing his powers - people can always leave to a different one or make an alternative one. But why would that happen, if, again, moderators are really interested in making their community good?
4. Staff/mods can obviously still intervene. But there might be hundreds/thousands of topics. In this scenario - they will be managed by community, and mods will have to intervene only when something goes wrong.
Hmm, that is a good question. And I guess that is a good answer too.
Just limit the amount of categories, and ask people to choose the categories that fit best.
My suggestion is to simply make it customizable.
I would prefer to subscribe to only a few channels and see their most recent updates.
Somebody else would prefer to see the most popular videos of the week.
Just let users choose it for themselves, in settings.
It could also be something like 'Dashboard', I guess.
Like in wordpress.
Person can just pick the widgets he wants to see on his front page, drag them around, etc.
So in one screen he could choose to have updates from his favorite categories, subscriptions forum threads, etc.
It's a pretty big request, but it seems reasonable.
It's not necessary to have widgets that you will drag around, of course,
the main point is to have settings where you can choose what you want to see on the front page.
wittyusernamesa — 2014-06-26T08:21:44-04:00 — #39
Hmm... Looking at all of it, I like the broadest of the idea, but I feel it being too loose and too chaotic. While a sense of community could be there, you could drown by an overflooding. Too many groups over the same topic, for the general user who simply wants to look at Mass Effect playthroughs, he'd probably wonder why there's five different category listing of Mass Effect.
I do like the subreddit idea a bit, but it needs a bit more control.
rayalez — 2014-06-26T08:36:03-04:00 — #40
Hey, I've just thought about another option!
You can do it like it is done on quora.
Anybody can create a category, but moderator can "merge" categories.
For example if there's an "Online Business" category, and somebody will create "Online Entrepreneurship" - people will just merge it with online business, so that whenever somebody wants to make "Online Entrepreneurship" it will be automatically redirected to "Online Business".
I don't know if it's better or worse, but it solves this problem.
That could also solve a problem with people who come first 'owning' the community. On quora topics belong to quora, anybody can create them but not own and moderate them.
Again, I am not sure that it is a better option, I like the idea of a person who creates the community having an interest in maintaining it, making it good, competing with other communities. That way the ones that are managed the best will win.
Bitvid staff can not personally manage thousands of communities.
Also if community is not owned by an individual - you can't customize it, create guidelines, make some unique header image, etc. You obviously can't allow just any random users to change that kind of things.
There's pro's and cons.
Reddit model apparently works for g+ and reddit.
Quora model works for quora.
fluffy — 2014-06-26T11:48:46-04:00 — #41
I don't know if having users moderate categories is the best idea. Also, too many categories could be confusing to users and content creators. I think that there should just be simple categories that aren't moderated by any normal users, like on YouTube:
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